MARSHY needs a computor

[Marshy]

Hey guys i am in desprate need of a new computor and i am now finally getting one ! I have £800 to spend and i am looking for a computor / I DONT CARE ABOUT THE CASE! please free case whatever! i dont want to spend £20 on a case. So if you can find me a computor for £800 then it will help me alot (good for gameing) thx

[ez64]

Q6600 and a 4870/4870x2 and a decent PSU + 600w (enermax/antec) plus do get a £60 case at least for proper ventilation.

Nice small SATA2 HDD go for seagate Barracuda's or Samsung F1's.

Pretty much it and it shouldnt cost £800 as you dont need to spend £600 to get a PC that plays every game these days unless you simply want to waste money.

Spend some of the spare money if you wish on a decent chair and big LCD instead of a 280gtx wasting it for a couple extra 3dmark points.

[Marshy]

Is that a computor or just stuff to put in it o.O if thats a comp can you give me a link (i dont do tech talk)

[ez64]

Ah I assumed you were custom building it or having someone do it, but tbh a kid that can build a lego house can do it these day's no trouble.

Save yourself some money and have some fun building it as £800 in retail stores will get you nothing decent.

[Calneon]

It's stuff to put in a computer, we highly recommend you build your own. You can't get a case for nothing, like ez said, get a good well ventilated one for ~£60-80, very much within your budget.

Let me suggest this quick list from OCUK, are you wanting to include a monitor/mouse/keyboard? Or do you already have these. If so, what size monitor as it can determine the graphics card you get.

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/3411/marshypc2wa8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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Obviously if you need an operating system, monitor, keyboard etc added in I can change it to incorporate them for under £800. Also, don't be put off by having to build it yourself, it really is a great way to get to know how these things work, and it's very useful to be able to take a PC apart and know what everything does. There are also loads of guides to help you do it.

[Marshy]

Can they build it // has it got instructions also yeh XP would help

[Mr.Big]

lol building pc's is easy, but seriously, where u get the damn money xD?
im always broke as hell :P

[Calneon]

I really need to know if you have a monitor and what size it is. Do you need an operating system, and mouse/keyboard?

[VoX]

Guide - How To Build A PC (http://techreport.com/articles.x/13671).

[Marshy]

1) My wallet i.e my dad

2) I really dont want to build it

3) ok 22 inch if anything is better i am flexable YES i need windows XP no keyboard or mouse

[Chalex4]

If you really don't want to build your own PC, then I recommend that you look at the following links:

Set Spec. Gamer Builds: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=43&catid=1080
Custom Gamer Builds: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/syscon_class.php?catid=1055

If you don't want to spend more than £800, and don't want to even bother about what is in your system by customising it yourself, then you might want to consider this (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-007-OE&groupid=43&catid=1080&subcat=&name=%22Titan%20Accelerator%22%204850). Specs are as follows:

- Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "Energy Efficient SLACR 95W Edition" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) Overclocked to 3.30GHz!
- Asus P5Q Intel P45 (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
- HIS ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 TV-Out/Dual DVI/HDMI PCI-Express
- Corsair 4GB DDR2 XMS2 PC2-6400C5 TwinX
- Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro CPU Cooler
- Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 500GB SATA-II 32MB Cache
- LG GGC-H20L Blu-Ray Reader & HD-DVD ROM Serial ATA Drive
- OCZ StealthXStream 500w Silent ATX2 Power Supply

For £716.73 inc VAT. Add £50 for XP and you are sorted :D.

I would say that is a pretty stonking deal, although I would say that it is a shame that there isn't a 4870 in there.

[Colonel Mitch]

As some of you may know I'm a director at a cybercafe and its my job to build/maintain/upgrade/fix computers.

If you'd consider a computer from T & G Online I can discuss with work and price you one up.

All our systems come with 1 year warranty from us against hardware failure and most components have 3 year manufacturers warranty that we can assist with if you were to buy a computer from us and after over one year a component fails.

BTW our website has only recently been put online and isnt really finalised yet but this is it:

http://www.tandgonline.co.uk

[Calneon]

Not a bad deal Chalex, if Marshy really didn't want to build one himself.

But considering you could have an faster dual core (better for gaming), a 4870 (better at 22" and above), the same motherboard, a better PSU, better memory, better HDD, if only you custom built. Why the massive phobia of self building? It's not hard, it teaches you about computers, and it's an accomplishment to play on a computer YOU built.

Get somebody round who knows what they're doing if you're THAT scared.

But anyway, if you really really really don't want to selfbuild, the option chalex suggested is decent enough.

[Marshy]

Right ok i think i will self build

[Calneon]

Good lad :D. It really isn't as hard as you might think. I mean, I could give you a brief rundown now:

1. Open all your new hardware and oggle in amazement at how uber and new and shiny it is.
2. Grab the motherboard (only touch the PCB) place it on somewhere that wont have any static (like the box it came on or on the anti-static plastic thing).
3. Insert the CPU (cant get it the wrong way round), and secure. Put a bit of thermal paste (dont forget to buy some Arctic Silver stuff), a small dot of the stuff, and then put on the heatsink (consult instructions, can be a bit tricky).
4. Push in RAM sticks, if you got 2x2Gb, put them in the same coloured slots.
5. Push in GFX card.
6. Grab case and take side off. Take out any packaging.
7. Put in the PSU, should fit nice and snug.
8. Put in any optical disks and hard drives (at the front, very easy).
9. Place the motherboard on the screw holes (might have to screw in the stand-on things), and screw it on where the holes fit.
10. Screw the GFX card onto the case (take the cover off first).
11. Consult the motherboard manual to see where all the power switches and LEDs plug into. Also plug in the massive power cable into the motherboard, along with another small one, and a 6-pin into your GFX card.
12. Connect your HDD and Optical drives to the motherboard.
13. Connect PSU to HDDs and optical drives.
14. Put side of case back on, plug the PSU into the wall, monitor into the GFX card, and inputs into the motherboard.
15. Turn it on and hope it works!

Couldn't be any simpler!

Disclaimer: Phantom takes no responsibility for any hardware faults and explosions causing harm to the user or hardware that occur through following this guide. This guide is not meant to be used, please refer to something that wasn't typed up in 2 minutes.

[Colonel Mitch]

Sounds about right to me :) - although i get teh motherboard moted before i put anything into it. the static thing isnt really a problem tbh its more overprotective - so long as you touch the case to discharge yourself before u start youll b fine and it wont matter where you touch teh motherboard or components really. just dont forget to put teh motherboard raisers into teh case if they arent fitted as standard lol or when you press on tehre will be a large bang XD - one of my friends has done that before:P

[ez64]

and take picture's so we can laugh at the 12" graphics card taped to the USB port :p

[Mr.Big]

1) My wallet i.e my dad

dude you rich or something?, there are 0.0001% chances my dad would give me that much money :(

[VoX]

dude you rich or something?, there are 0.0001% chances my dad would give me that much money :(

Mine would make me work like hell for that, and then I'd have to bribe him.

Nice little disclaimer there Phantom :p.

When I can afford a new PC, I'm defo building myself, I'll probably have someone like Midge over who knows what they are doing just to supervise and help out, but to be honest I'm only slightly bamboozled by the cabling, but all of that is one way round so shouldn't be too hard. That and installing drivers (bad experiences of BSOD) are all I would worry about.

Also: Taken from VoX and ez's top tips; RAM is not aerodynamic and the pins on a CPU don't like being bent with pliers...

[Chalex4]

Nice guide Phantom, but I think you missed a few things.


If you buy a quad core processor, you shouldn't just put a blob of thermal paste in the middle of its heatsink. It should be a thin line. See instructions here - http://www.arcticsilver.com/ins_route_step2intelas5.html.
The screw holders may not be already in the correct places in your case to allow your mobo to fit, so be prepared to move them around with some pliers.
Phantom handily forgot to tell you to plug in your HS fan to the mobo. That would be a bad thing to forget :eek:. Also remember the general case fans.
When the PC starts up, make sure the vital fans all start up (e.g. gfx, cpu). If they don't pull out the power immediately and assess the situation.


Other than that, good luck.

[Colonel Mitch]

lol @ chalex's doom guide :P

1 of our pcs downstairs was running for over a year with teh fan not plugged in for the processor and the heatsync alone was enough to keep it from overheating :P - and if anything does overheat they all have a built in cutoff that will shut down your pc if they go over a certain temperature. also remember that the graphics fan may not spin after you first turn on teh pc as some dont spin when theres no load - and if you buy a retail processor you dont need to bother with thermal paste yourself as the heatsync will come wiht it pre applied.

[ez64]

Very untrue on modern and old processor's alike, the HSF fan is normally critical to the PC since they get EXTREMELY hot if theres nothing moving the air.

[Colonel Mitch]

I disagree with that statement!

Ive run my quad core without a heatsynce before when it was underclocked to 1.6ghz and when its used for normal use with no load it doesnt even need 1! and that gets hoptter than my new E8500 does - at i34 when my phase wasnt connected properly it was running coolerless for a few mins and i ddint even notice till i loaded core temp and it was at about 85 degrees.
(I know that sounds bad but its not hot enough to break it and the thernal cutofs not till over 100 degrees). My qx6700 is running with the HSF from my E8500 and now idles at about 60 degrees and has been known to go ver 100 degrees on load ( normally about 95-97 degrees), and Ive not had a problem with either ( it was my old motherboard not my processor that wasnt working for those of you who were about to say YES YOU DID! :P)

EDIT: I am not saying its reccomended but it wont really cause a problem :P

[VoX]

CPU Vaporisation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG0sGugsv28

[Colonel Mitch]

Erm... yeah.... erm... NAAAH..

;P

(they place qa small charge under the motherboard :))

[VoX]

I know but still funny to make Marshy shit himself about getting the HSF on right :p. (No offence Marshy)

[ez64]

http://www.tandgonline.co.uk

Lol mitch

http://www.templateworld.com/zero/in_action/trial_services/index.html

Breaking the T&C with no "designed by" is a bit dodgy just saying.

[Marshy]

Ok i have one if you think anything is wrong with it please do comment,

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™2 Duo E8400 (2 X 3.00GHz) 1333MHz FSB/6MB L2 Cache

Memory (RAM)
8GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (4x2GB)

Motherboard
ASUS® P5QL: DDR2, SATAII, PCI-e x16, 3 PCI, 2 x PCI-e x1

Operating System
Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium 64-bit Edition + SP1, CD (£59)

USB Options
8 x USB 2.0 PORTS (6 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

Memory - 1st Hard Disk
250GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)

2nd Hard Disk
NONE

1st CD/DVD Drive
16x DVD-ROM & 52x CD-ROM Drive

2nd CD/DVD Drive
NONE

Graphics Card
896MB GEFORCE GTX260 PCI Express + DVI

2nd Graphics Card
NONE

Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)

Modem
NONE, I WILL BE USING BROADBAND

Network Facilities
ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT

Floppy Disk Drive
NONE

Memory Card Reader
NONE

Case
Stylish Silver/Black Trident case + 2 front USB

Power Supply & Case Cooling
450W Quiet Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£22)

Processor Cooling
SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£15)

Firewire & Video Editing
NONE

TV Card
NONE

Monitor
19 Inch Wide TFT Silver/Black 1440 x 900 5MS, D-Sub, DVI, Audio (£95)

2nd Monitor
NONE

DVI Cable
NONE

Keyboard & Mouse
NONE

Mouse
NONE

Speakers
NONE

Printer
NONE

Surge Protection
NONE

Webcam & VoIP
NONE

Anti-Virus
NORTON ANTI-VIRUS 2008 - 1 Year Licence for 1 PC (£15)

Office Software
NONE

External Hard Drive
NONE

Home Installation
NONE

Warranty
1 Year Return-to-Base incl 1st Month Free Collect & Return

Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)

Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 9 to 13 working days

Software
CD/DVD authoring software and Power DVD software is included with all DVD Writers.

Ports
Each computer comes with 1 x PS/2 keyboard port and either 1 x PS/2 mouse port or 2 extra USB ports.

Fans
Where necessary your computer will come with extra case fans fitted.

Memory
Our memory comes with a 100% tested lifetime warranty!

Bezels
All our drives come in either silver, black or beige and are all of a
high quality & matched brand.

Support
We offer lifetime hardware technical support during normal office hours.

Cables & Manuals
A power cable, all drivers, manuals, and a heatsink & fan are included with every order.

Service
Our computers come fully assembled & thoroughly tested. We are so confident in the quality of our computers that we offer a free collection and re-delivery service* should you ever have a problem with your computer.

Installation
If you order an operating system it will come fully installed with the CD and licence key.

Low Total Cost of Ownership
Taking into consideration our low cost telephone support, free collection warranty service* and our strive to use energy efficient components where possible, the total cost of owning a pcspecialist computer is reduced as much as possible.

£871 inc VAT and Delivery - they also build it for me also - 8gb of ram o.O

[Calneon]

Ok, first thoughts while at school (quick):

- 8GB RAM is not needed, stick with 4 and use the money to get faster memory.
- Get a bigger HDD, 250GB is a very poor ammount for a high spec PC like that, make it 500GB+
- You can get x20 or x22 speed DVD drives, obviously better than x16. Also, is it DVD-RW? Might as well get one of them.
- 450W CPU is cutting it very very fine and leaves NO room for updates in the future. I'm surprised they are supplying a PSU like that unless it's high quality like Corsair.
- I'd worry if a 19" monitor only cost £95. I'd much rather save up for a decent 22 " or 24".
- GTX260 is a good card and so is the E8400 CPU, so no problems there.

[Marshy]

Umm it's only my 16th birthday so i know im not getting much and i cannot really add much else :S :eek:

[Marshy]

Ok, first thoughts while at school (quick):

- 8GB RAM is not needed, stick with 4 and use the money to get faster memory.
- Get a bigger HDD, 250GB is a very poor ammount for a high spec PC like that, make it 500GB+
- You can get x20 or x22 speed DVD drives, obviously better than x16. Also, is it DVD-RW? Might as well get one of them.
- 450W CPU is cutting it very very fine and leaves NO room for updates in the future. I'm surprised they are supplying a CPU like that unless it's high quality like Corsair.
- I'd worry if a 19" monitor only cost £95. I'd much rather save up for a decent 22 " or 24".
- GTX260 is a good card and so is the E8400 CPU, so no problems there.

The ram is epic 1337, the HDD will be fine, maybe put it to 350.. the cpu is corsair, the options are like: Corsair XMS2 or Corsair Dominator series, so yeah they will be good quality. Do you think I should cut some of the other stuff down and get like a GTX280?

[Marshy]

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™2 Duo E8400 (2 X 3.00GHz) 1333MHz FSB/6MB L2 Cache

Memory (RAM)
4GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x2GB)

Motherboard
ASUS® P5QL: DDR2, SATAII, PCI-e x16, 3 PCI, 2 x PCI-e x1

Operating System
Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium + SP1, CD & Licence (£59)

USB Options
8 x USB 2.0 PORTS (6 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

Memory - 1st Hard Disk
250GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)

2nd Hard Disk
NONE

1st CD/DVD Drive
20x Dual Layer LightScribe DVD Writer ±R/±RW/RAM

2nd CD/DVD Drive
NONE

Graphics Card
896MB GEFORCE GTX260 PCI Express + DVI

2nd Graphics Card
NONE

Sound Card
Sound Blaster® Audigy® SE with 7.1 Surround Sound (£16)

Modem
NONE, I WILL BE USING BROADBAND

Network Facilities
ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT

Floppy Disk Drive
NONE

Memory Card Reader
NONE

Case
Stylish Silver/Black Trident case + 2 front USB

Power Supply & Case Cooling
450W Quiet Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£22)

Processor Cooling
SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£15)

Firewire & Video Editing
NONE

TV Card
NONE

Monitor
19 Inch Wide TFT Silver/Black 1440 x 900 5MS, D-Sub, DVI, Audio (£95)

2nd Monitor
NONE

DVI Cable
NONE

Keyboard & Mouse
NONE

Mouse
NONE

Speakers
NONE

Printer
NONE

Surge Protection
NONE

Webcam & VoIP
NONE

Anti-Virus
NONE

Office Software
NONE

External Hard Drive
NONE

Home Installation
NONE

Warranty
1 Year Return-to-Base incl 1st Month Free Collect & Return

Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)

Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 9 to 13 working days

Quantity
1



Other Features Included As Standard...

Software
CD/DVD authoring software and Power DVD software is included with all DVD Writers.

Ports
Each computer comes with 1 x PS/2 keyboard port and either 1 x PS/2 mouse port or 2 extra USB ports.

Fans
Where necessary your computer will come with extra case fans fitted.

Memory
Our memory comes with a 100% tested lifetime warranty!

Bezels
All our drives come in either silver, black or beige and are all of a
high quality & matched brand.

Support
We offer lifetime hardware technical support during normal office hours.

Cables & Manuals
A power cable, all drivers, manuals, and a heatsink & fan are included with every order.

Service
Our computers come fully assembled & thoroughly tested. We are so confident in the quality of our computers that we offer a free collection and re-delivery service* should you ever have a problem with your computer.

Installation
If you order an operating system it will come fully installed with the CD and licence key.

Low Total Cost of Ownership
Taking into consideration our low cost telephone support, free collection warranty service* and our strive to use energy efficient components where possible, the total cost of owning a pcspecialist computer is reduced as much as possible.

And Finally
If you are lucky enough to have seen a cheaper quote, click here.



Price for this PC System:

Price for this PC System:

£694.47 ex VAT.


£816 inc VAT and Delivery.

[Calneon]

That looks much better, if you're happy you won't use up your HDD. A GTX280 would be massive overkill on a 19", if anything you could possibly downgrade to a 4850 and still get very good performance and save £70. A 450W PSU won't handle a GTX280 anyway.

I noticed that Vista no longer says 64-bit, make sure you get it or you'll have just over 3GB of RAM (with the GTX260) with 4GB in your machine (like me heh, need to upgrade but costs monies).

[ez64]

Just installed a shuttle with the same chip and 4gb of ddr2 its lovely in vista :D

[VoX]

^^ More money than sense.

[ez64]

Not mine a customers :p

[Marshy]

Ok the final choice is :

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™2 Duo E8400 (2 X 3.00GHz) 1333MHz FSB/6MB L2 Cache

Memory (RAM)
8GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (4x2GB)

Motherboard
ASUS® P5QL: DDR2, SATAII, PCI-e x16, 3 PCI, 2 x PCI-e x1

Operating System
Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium 64-bit Edition + SP1, CD (£59)

USB Options
8 x USB 2.0 PORTS (6 REAR + 2 FRONT) AS STANDARD

Memory - 1st Hard Disk
320GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)

2nd Hard Disk
NONE

1st CD/DVD Drive
20x Dual Layer LightScribe DVD Writer ±R/±RW/RAM

2nd CD/DVD Drive
NONE

Graphics Card
896MB GEFORCE GTX260 PCI Express + DVI

2nd Graphics Card
NONE

Sound Card
ONBOARD 8 CHANNEL (7.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)

Modem
NONE, I WILL BE USING BROADBAND

Network Facilities
ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT

Floppy Disk Drive
NONE

Memory Card Reader
NONE

Case
Stylish Silver/Black Trident case + 2 front USB

Power Supply & Case Cooling
450W Quiet Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£22)

Processor Cooling
SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£15)

Firewire & Video Editing
NONE

TV Card
NONE

Monitor
19 Inch Wide TFT Silver/Black 1440 x 900 5MS, D-Sub, DVI, Audio (£95)

2nd Monitor
NONE

DVI Cable
NONE

Keyboard & Mouse
NONE

Mouse
NONE

Speakers
NONE

Printer
NONE

Surge Protection
NONE

Webcam & VoIP
NONE

Anti-Virus
NONE

Office Software
NONE

External Hard Drive
NONE

Home Installation
NONE

Warranty
1 Year Return-to-Base incl 1st Month Free Collect & Return

Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)

Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 9 to 13 working days

Quantity
1



Other Features Included As Standard...

Software
CD/DVD authoring software and Power DVD software is included with all DVD Writers.

Ports
Each computer comes with 1 x PS/2 keyboard port and either 1 x PS/2 mouse port or 2 extra USB ports.

Fans
Where necessary your computer will come with extra case fans fitted.

Memory
Our memory comes with a 100% tested lifetime warranty!

Bezels
All our drives come in either silver, black or beige and are all of a
high quality & matched brand.

Support
We offer lifetime hardware technical support during normal office hours.

Cables & Manuals
A power cable, all drivers, manuals, and a heatsink & fan are included with every order.

Service
Our computers come fully assembled & thoroughly tested. We are so confident in the quality of our computers that we offer a free collection and re-delivery service* should you ever have a problem with your computer.

Installation
If you order an operating system it will come fully installed with the CD and licence key.

Low Total Cost of Ownership
Taking into consideration our low cost telephone support, free collection warranty service* and our strive to use energy efficient components where possible, the total cost of owning a pcspecialist computer is reduced as much as possible.

And Finally
If you are lucky enough to have seen a cheaper quote, click here.



Price for this PC System:

Price for this PC System:

£734.47 ex VAT.


£863 inc VAT and Delivery.

[ez64]

Trust us when we say 8GB of ram is a complete waste, get another HDD and not a maxtor 320gb which I presume it is.

get two 250gb's (seagate barracuda's or samsung F1's) and run them in raid 0 (striped) you will see a FAR FAR greater loading/boot time bonus and general response of your system.

[Colonel Mitch]

How much are you paying for the E8400?

[Colonel Mitch]

Ive just notied thats a build thing from a online ordering system isn't it.

I can guarantee you we can beat that price and we still include a 1 year warranty and after that free manufacturers warranty assistance.

[Marshy]

:S urr what can you offer for the price of £850 below

[Colonel Mitch]

We can do you a computer thats ALOT better for that price (ive jsut priced 1 up :P)

Mid range gaming case with side window, dual side fans, lights.
750GB Hard Drive
Blu ray / HD Dvd player / DVD +/- RW (with lightscribe)
Radeon 4870 1GB GDDR5
4GB DDR3 RAM @ 1066MHZ
Crossfire Ready Motherboard
E8500 Dual Core (3.19 GHZ)
Vista Home Premium
750W Quiet PSU

£850

[ez64]

Raid 0 that shizzle and that is yummy :D

[Colonel Mitch]

If you get it it'll be the first computer ive ever seen with a Blu Ray drive =] -
Oh and also free of charge we can put any prgrams you want on it, such as Steam, Warcraft, AVG, Open Office etc.

Also if you did go ahead on order this we could have this delevered within 3 working days of payment rather than 9 - 13.

[Colonel Mitch]

Sorry Ive just noticed your getting a screen as well.

Heres an appropriate re-spec...

Vista Home Premium

19" Widescreen with DVI and HDCP @ 1440x900

22x DVD RW

500GB Hard Drive

750W PSU

Crossfire Ready motherboard with dual Gigabit lan and teaming support

E8500 dual core @ 3.19Ghz

4870 1GB GDDR5

4GB DDR3 @ 1066MHZ

Mid Range Gaming case with side window, dual fans and lights

£875 - The difference is a slightly cheaper motherboard, smaller hard disk, and removal of Blu Ray drive, but addition of a decent 19" screen.

I decided to do this as in its current state you will get the same performance out of this as the other machine, however it will be less future proof as the max ddr3 ram in this board is 4Gb, you will not have as much hard drive space, and you will not be able to play Blu ray movies, or read future blu ray disks.

As it stands this makes this system slightly more expensive than your original quote, but it is a LOT more powerful, with a current market leading graphics graphics card, new technology memory, much more disk space, and a slightly faster processor, and crossfire support and pci-e 2.0 slots for future upgradability.

If you want a cheaper motherboard without crossfire support you can knock £35 off that price.

[Calneon]

With a monitor that size, I'd think a 4850 would be a better choice over a 4870, and would save £70. You could always add another card later anyway. Other than that it looks great Mitch.

[ez64]

Ya on a single slot 4850 we get around 450 fps in wow and 120 minimum, with everything maxed out and 16xaa.

[Colonel Mitch]

depends what your gunna be playing and how future proof you want it to be. also bear in mind thats not a normal 4870 its the special 1GB edition with much faster memory and twice as much of it.

[ez64]

But the memory is only for people running 2560*xxxx really not going to be a major perfomance difference from 512mb on sub 1920*1200 and 16xaa/af.

[Calneon]

Depends what game you're playing ofc, but I agree that the 1GB 4870 is overkill on a 19", unless the cost increase from a 512MB 4870 is insignificant.

[Colonel Mitch]

the price difference is only £20 from 512meg and 1gb - the point of the 1gb was more for future proofing really. with that setup you should be able to not need to upgrade the computer for a year at least and itll still perform awsomley on new games.

[Calneon]

Yeah that's probably worth it then.

[VoX]

Am jealous.

[Calneon]

Get a job, earning £500 won't take long xD.