League of Legends team moving on and upwards?

[tiny2tom]

Some of you more active members will know that recently a new League of Legends team has been set up in the community. The team actively plays weekly and has been progressing through tournaments on ESL and SK invitational tournaments.

We currently play 5+ days a week for 3-4 hours with team plus solo que, and taking it pretty seriously in wanting to get known within the league of legends competitive scene. We have recently been approached by a formed community, already established in the competitive scene and looking to endorse our league of legends team. While this is exciting, I am reluctant to take the LoL team out of the ATK community, as i enjoy being part of it.

Currently in terms of the benefits provided by the community, there is almost next to none apart from the forum provided for us. I was wondering if the competitive side of atk, is due to be developed before the next LAN, as well as becoming more well known in the general scene. (eg. CS:GO, DOTA 2, SC2). If not i am sorry to say that the LoL team will be moving, and wish you all the good luck in the future.

[Isphera]

As Gaming Manager, I am responsible for the activites of the Helix Gaming competitive side of ATK, which encompasses LoL.SL. I will be more than willing to discuss any improvements we can help you with in the coming days. I have just messeged you on Steam to begin this process.

[Target]

We could easily do this, we have all the facilities, there just not open to us at all, Chalex has them all locked up, we have a CSS which we haven't been able to use for months because no one can update it.
Joe has had to pay for teamspeak 3 and I think that if we could get more teams involved it would be easy for us to get sponsorship for events such as i-series and maybe other events. Also it would enable us to create things such as the loch tech monster, which would bring more people and money to the community.
On the topic of money, whoever is made manager or com leader or w/e needs to have some control over this i.e knowing what revenue is being generated and where this money needs to be spent.
We have a great core community, which with a little bit of effort could easily be converted into a decent org.
I have also asked for a different home page for LoL team which is clearly never going to get done.

I understand that people have other commitments now, but I think they should stand aside and let the people who have the time and are willing to put it into the community to do it. I think that people (chalex) should still get a great amount of credit for the work he put in originally and great effort that has been made to create such a great site, but I think now that you don't want to put that effort in then you should let the others who want to do it, do it. Otherwise the community is going to fall apart or create a new website, that obv won't be as good but thats what faces us.

Also gaming manager is a joke Oric, I think the gaming nights you have arranged have been great and the fact you brought new people in is awesome but I don't think the whole "competitive management" is for you.

[Joe]

Sad to hear that you guys could be leaving considering right now you make up at least 50% of the active community... It would be awesome if we could get the competitive side of ATK to grow before LAN.
Something that could be really good in helping new ATK teams start would be getting servers for their respective games? I'm not going to lie and say none of us have a good idea about how much the site makes, because we do, and it would be really awesome if the money could go towards supporting the community because as of now (unless it's proven otherwise) it's all going elsewhere :/

Anyway without making that sound so bad, what I'm trying to say is that if there's any money lying around (which we're led to believe there is) it would be pretty cool if we could have the community buy t-shirts for it's members to wear to LAN to help further promote the teams, whenever I walked past a table at LAN with like 20 people wearing the same team shirt I always thought it looked pretty cool.

Final point here also is that I think Mitch should be the leader of ATK because there are so many cool things he could do for us e.g sorting the shirts, sorting out servers, the fact he has been in the community for so long and knows basically everything to do with it / everyone in it, and he has non biased opinions on everything which helps when shit goes down on ts...

[nikoli]

yhea pretty much my 2 cents is what target and joe said, and i always heard about how big the atk css servers where a while back and it'd be pretty nice to see them be used and active again and have the community more known and recognised at lans as well instead of being fairly unheard of. :)

[CILLIT BANG]

im gna be pro at cs.go even if i have to set up a team im gna no life the shit out of it so il make us competative ... sounds like a plan yes?

[Target]

Also I think Oric would have made a great community manager, he has shown he has great organizational skills, with the recent success of gaming nights, I think you just need to leave the technical and competitive side to those who are involved in it, until they actually need a manager.

[Chalex4]

That's sad to hear guys. I hope Oric has had a good chat with you about this.

In terms of this whole situation we're now in, it was meant to be fixed by the ATK Leadership. Marshy wanted to do everything you're talking about, so I left it to him and the others (Chaz, Oric, Cillit, Cal & Kata). Unfortunately things didn't happen, Marshy didn't make any big leaps forward (no offence), and so we find ourselves a while later with no progress. I never wanted to really have to dip my toe back in the ATK bucket, and certainly don't think I'd be responsible for running every day stuff again.

So, we're back where we started. We need a new leadership. It's obvious all you guys love Mitch, and that's great, but I want to chat to everyone about this stuff. Somehow basically all decisions seem to happen on TS, and not on the forums (which I check all the time). Either way, I'll be on Teamspeak tonight and we can get this sorted out.

Echoing you guys above, ATK is great today, but can be so much more. We all have great ideasso let's just pull our fingers out and make them happen :).

[Marshy]

Marshy wanted to do everything you're talking about, so I left it to him and the others (Chaz, Oric, Cillit, Cal & Kata). Unfortunately things didn't happen, Marshy didn't make any big leaps forward (no offence)

What can i say, i learn from the best!

[Marshy]

Marshy wanted to do everything you're talking about, so I left it to him and the others (Chaz, Oric, Cillit, Cal & Kata). Unfortunately things didn't happen, Marshy didn't make any big leaps forward (no offence)

What can i say, i learn from the best!

[Joe]

You don't realise that nothing can happen until you instigate it. Every idea HAS to go through you, NO ONE has power to do ANYTHING. That's the reason why no one can put in the effort in, because you won't let us.

[Kermit]

I haven't been in the community for long, but I've been around competitive gaming for a very long time.

Basically right now, we, the League team have no 'benefit' to using the Aim To Kill name for our League team.

It's something that is becoming serious, we plan on competing at i-Series, we're entering multiple tournaments a week and spending hours improving and practicing every week, almost every night. Outside of playing together as a team we're spending hours upon hours playing solo Q to improve.

Right now, there's no incentive for us to use the Aim To Kill name. It's not that we don't want to, it's just that, to put it bluntly, why should we? Something such as a performance based incentive would be something that from a business point of view in your end would be beneficial and from our point of view would be an incentive to improve furthermore.

The League team, amongst other members of the community from what I've gathered in my limited time here feel that all the power lies in the wrong people. All the people with the power are the ones that don't have a true grasp or understanding of what to do with it. You have a plethora of people that have that understanding of how to make things happen but they simply sit there smashing their heads on TS night after night because nothing gets done from the leadership point of view when it is brought up.

My understanding is also that this whole situation is a recurring thing with people expressing their disinterest to continue a community that has no drive from a leadership point of view and the leaderships response is always "Ok, great ideas, lets get the ball rolling on them" but the ball never leaves the starting pen, because again no-one with power has the understanding to start things rolling.

I hope people value my opinions because as little as I've been around the Aim To Kill community, I've been around e-Sports for 10+ years and I know exactly what people desire and how to get it, since I've already done it in several other games. The core issue is, nothing will work unless you have leadership that has the motivation to do it and make things happen. Right now, people think, and I agree, that the leadership doesn't seem to care.

I mean right now you have a community member paying for your Team Speak server, a community member trying to make contacts to get your name out there and reputable through the League of Legends team. Personally, I think the leadership seriously need to step up and relate to the community a lot more, or move on and give it to someone that is willing to do so.

[Calneon]

You don't realise that nothing can happen until you instigate it. Every idea HAS to go through you, NO ONE has power to do ANYTHING. That's the reason why no one can put in the effort in, because you won't let us.
I'm sorry, that's complete bullshit. You think Chalex is just going to give you full access to the website, full access to the ATK funds? Don't be absurd. The reason nothing has happened is because the leadership hasn't been pro-active in getting anything done. I'm sure if you had a good idea for the site, Chalex would be more than happy to give you the resources to make it happen.

Name me one idea, fully thought through and planned, that would have benefited the community, that Chalex actually stopped you from doing.

[Joe]

Name me one idea, fully thought through and planned, that would have benefited the community, that Chalex actually stopped you from doing.

[NOTE - By 'no one' here, I mean no one who is active, and all the people who ARE active are being given no power to change this, that's another point while I'm at it.]

No one has the power to make sub forums for new teams
No one has the power to access and change the serves to what we want them to be
The servers we do have are out of date and no one has power to fix them
No one has any kind of authority to be able to approach new sponsors for teams / the community
No one benefits in way from using the ATK name for anything

Infact the only benefit there is, is forum space which is easily accessible anyway. And maybe the team-speak server, which isn't even provided by ATK.

But no Calneon, I totally understand what you mean about how there is nothing we are being stopped from doing and appreciate yet another one of your happy, helpful responses to our posts.

[Excoundrel]

I've been here say, since november time? I don't often post on here and communicate mainly through team speak but I will throw in my opinion:

Being on the league team I have no reason to see why we should be attached or affiliated with ATK at this moment in time. We gain nothing from it. ATK as a gaming community has one competitive team, us. Without us you're just a bunch of friends who play some games now and again and to have any real standing as a gaming community you need to organise and recruit for competitive teams. Send those teams to I-series etc and get your name out there. If you get a number of competitive teams out there you can then approach sponsors who, for a little bit of sponsorship, can get their names on ATK t shirts at tournaments etc. With that money you can PAY FOR YOUR OWN teamspeak server and provide t-shirts. I don't understand why no one is making the effort to do it? Surely it benefits everyone.

Personally I also feel on the topic of leadership, not that i really give a shit, that you run this more like a dictatorship and less like a democracy. It reminds me of a very old school wow guild where guild leader = god and his members are simply there because they get the benefit of a good raiding guild and don't want to leave; i wish i could say the same for ATK - at the moment what benefit do any of ATKs members get? Why would they listen to the leadership team when they could probably just go join another gaming community all together (so losing no friendly contact with anyone) and get better benefits. It's not like we would stop talking to each other because Joe owns the teamspeak server.

Thats my impartial opinion anyway.

[Calneon]

No one has the power to make sub forums for new teams
Me and Katakuna both have the power to do this, yet I have not heard once from anybody asking me to do anything.

No one has the power to access and change the serves to what we want them to be
Again, talk to me or Chalex and we'd have given you access to the servers.

The servers we do have are out of date and no one has power to fix them
See above.

No one has any kind of authority to be able to approach new sponsors for teams / the community
Wasn't CILLIT BANG in charge of this?

No one benefits in way from using the ATK name for anything
It's up to the management to find ways of making the ATK name mean something. What are your ideas? Do you have any?

Joe, stuff doesn't magically 'happen' in this world. If you want something to happen, you have to get off your ass and make it happen.

[Joe]

"Me and Katakuna both have the power to do this". When was the last time either of you were online? If I'm being honest I forgot Katakuna was actually a part of ATK until you just mentioned it. We need ACTIVE members to have these powers so we don't have to wait around for weeks requesting things.

We all wanted to play reverse gun game on out server the other day. Neither you OR Chalex were online to make this be able to happen, though Mitch was, but he has his powers taken away to be able to do so?

I stick by what I said. No one has any kind of authority, no one being the active members, saying that though, who actually does? Because I wouldn't want to be part of anything represented by them if it's done this poorly.

Edit: Also please don't try to belittle me posting about how stuff doesn't magically happen in this world, like my life is somehow inferior to yours or think I haven't had any sort of experience in doing things for myself. All I'm going to say is, if I wanted life lessons from someone who posts the size of their porn folder on reddit I might ask you, otherwise no thanks.

And it's Fred's personal job to make sure we benefit from using ATK? I didn't realise he had the power to use the money to be put towards things for the community (unless you feel it not being spent at all is a better move?) If that's the case then I'll ask him, but I don't think it is.

Believe me, if you actually bothered to come and speak to the people that you 'manage' a community for, you'd have heard us discussing plenty of ideas.

And that final point is laughable. Do you actually realise the fucking irony in telling me to get off my ass and do something when that is EXACTLY what we're doing and you are standing in the way of it, as I said, laughable.

[Chalex4]

You know why I like this thread? You are actually discussing things in a place where people can contribute to the discussion at a time that suits them. This whole "discussing ideas on TS" thing is all well and good, but did ANY of you actually ever create a thread about it in the suggestions forum? No, you didn't. As a result, the leadership finds out about these things only when you moan they didn't happen.

I completely agree that we need to boost benefits to the team(s). You guys are doing us a favour right now, and that's awesome. I could go about "guessing" what you'd like, but it would be fab if someone could draw up a proposal and post it on the forum. The leadership can then go away and discuss it. In all likihoood, you'll get what you want.


you run this more like a dictatorship and less like a democracy.

That's a very bold statement there. If you look back over the threads you'll see a lot of polls and very democratic approach being made. As such, I'll assume you got confused with your words. Moreso, I think it's the lack of progress that's annoying you all. I'm annoyed too. It took us far too long to get ATK v4.0 out, and there's a ton of stuff being raised here that sounds pretty urgent too. A big issue here has been the fact we effectively haven't had an ATK Manager (no offence Marshy). Remember, I reassigned responisibility over to him for everyday running of ATK. I was acting just as an advisor.


When was the last time either of you were online? If I'm being honest I forgot Katakuna was actually a part of ATK until you just mentioned it. We need ACTIVE members to have these powers so we don't have to wait around for weeks requesting things.

If you actually look at the last time I was requested to create a new subforum, it was done within the hour. If you don't tell us either through the suggestion forum or PM, we can't do anything. Again, use the forum to your benefit!!


And it's Fred's personal job to make sure we benefit from using ATK? I didn't realise he had the power to use the money to be put towards things for the community

Every member of the ATK Leadership had access to request funding from the ATK "pot of cash". I received no such requests.


Do you actually realise the fucking irony in telling me to get off my ass and do something when that is EXACTLY what we're doing and you are standing in the way of it, as I said, laughable.

As I said, this is why I LOVE this thread. It's as negative as it needs to be, as there's obviously been a lack of communication from both sides. I hope you take our comments on board and start posting lists of things you'd like done. The leadership can then prioritise effectively. Note also that the leadership is going to be reformed.

Finally, all this chat about the Teamspeak server is amusing. I was told Joe got it for free, and was perfectly happy to give it to ATK to use. I said that sounds awesome :). If that arrangement is annoying you, just say! We can easily get ourselves a new one that is paid for by other means.

[Joe]

Thank you for actually responding. This is all we wanted, some kind of written repsonse from you about the situation and how it could change it wasn't intended to escalate like it has.

If this is true about us simply needing to write up a request about things we would like (within reason) that it could happen then I'd be happy to chat about it with everyone else and write up ideas.

Maybe the first idea could be a forum section where we can post said ideas?

[Chalex4]

No problem man. It's not like any of us actually want to see ATK unhappy! Here's the suggestions forum:

http://www.atkcommunity.com/forumdisplay.php/19-Suggestions

(it's existed for a while ;))

[Joe]

Wow I'm clearly blind for not seeing that lol :grin:

[Vicious Horizon]

I'm not MEANT to have access to the TF2 servers if I remember correctly? Either that or someone who isn't meant to have access gave me access because I needed it to run the server while the team was active (I'm working on getting it active again by the way, for those interested).

I dunno, it just seems like everyone is totally shut out from the management of the website.

I mean I don't wanna cause offence, but Katakuna is never fucking online in the community, and neither is a majority of the management team.

None of the active members of the community actually have any sort of power in the community and have no way of making any difference IN the community or changing the way it operates. Right now, and the it's always been is fuck the management because they don't do shit, it's not the website, nor the teams, nor the fancy widgets on the home page that's kept ATKCommunity.com alive, it's been the tight-knit friends group who sit on teamspeak all fucken day and play games together.

There's my thoughts.

[Target]

I just don't want us in the situation where we have a great idea that we want to get on, but we have to wait 3 weeks for something to happen about it because the active manager has no access to the right tools.
And we have wasted huge opportunities in the past, like lochtech which could have really prompted the community and maybe got us some free shit xD. We had the means but just didn't follow it up and the people that could have done it, didn't have any access to it. I think we need to just be able to do things and then change them to suit, not try and build it perfectly to start with. I understand chalex doesn't want to have things spoiled such as the site because its really good, but we need to take some risks with other projects!

[Calneon]

All I'm going to say is, if I wanted life lessons from someone who posts the size of their porn folder on reddit I might ask you, otherwise no thanks.
How long did it take you to look through my reddit history to find that one? It's cute you went to so much trouble to try and insult me.

Look, I'm not trying to do something ridiculous like belittle you or anything retarded like that. Neither is this aimed at just you Joe, it's aimed at everyone who thinks this community is run by nothing but a bunch of dictators who want all the power for ourselves. It really isn't anything like that!

Firstly, I'm always online. I'm almost always on Steam, I always check my emails. Heck, I even have you on Facebook! There's no excuse other than laziness for you not being able to get in contact with me, I'm sorry but that's the truth.

I'm going to reiterate what Chalex said about making your opinions more known (this thread is a good start). It's no use just bitching about stuff on TS3 because none of the people with power will know. You're moaning that you're waiting weeks while you request things? I haven't seen any threads on the forum, I haven't been messaged on Steam, I haven't received an email. How do you expect us to deal with these theoretical requests if we never know they exist?

Finally:

Believe me, if you actually bothered to come and speak to the people that you 'manage' a community for, you'd have heard us discussing plenty of ideas.
Could I not reverse your statement and say, "Believe me, if you actually bothered to come and speak to the managers of the community, you'd have seen many of your ideas implemented"?

[Vicious Horizon]

Could I not reverse your statement and say, "Believe me, if you actually bothered to come and speak to the managers of the community, you'd have seen many of your ideas implemented"?

Because the management means completely fucking nothing in terms of the community?

It's like 3 guys, whereas there's about 4 times that who are active members of the community who have nothing to do with how the community is run

[Joe]

Could I not reverse your statement and say, "Believe me, if you actually bothered to come and speak to the managers of the community, you'd have seen many of your ideas implemented"?

That's exactly what I plan on doing :)

fair play to all of you if stuff gets done / atleast considered and fair play we could have tried this before, so I'll give it a try, but won't get my hopes up just yet!

[Excoundrel]

That's a very bold statement there. If you look back over the threads you'll see a lot of polls and very democratic approach being made. As such, I'll assume you got confused with your words.

Not exactly, from the impression i got on teamspeak there was little community input in the election of management team positions - I used such an extreme example to highlight the problem. I don't actually hold much attachment to ATK itself (don't get me wrong i like the community) , I'm merely here as I am on the team and a lot of my friends are. But as long as we can attain some benefit by being here I'll be happy; to attain that benefit there are lots of ideas that need to be put into motion. It's all very well discussing and suggesting but there needs to be results, you all need to set yourself deadlines for when you want things to happen.

[Chalex4]

Meeting tonight was awesome guys, thanks for spending the time to go through stuff with me and others.

Can't wait for future ATK :D.

[Target]

Yeh was good shit got sorted and we found things out and think the community will actually move forward, now we just need to carry out some of this stuff XD

[CILLIT BANG]

<---- cant do shit while at uni especialy when you switched to TS from Mumble so dont see how my role can be forfilled when i need to talk in voice as im shit at writing things so dont get me involved in the argument when i cant fully be involved with the community in term time (next year get a house so will be all fine)

[CILLIT BANG]

+ my sig is awesome

[Target]

YES FRED!!!