Hutch's Admin Abuse on CS Server - 11th April 2008

On Friday evening, Chazlene, VoX, myself, and around six other people not in the community were playing on our fun CSS server, on glass_war 05. Hutch then came on, and sat in spectator for several minutes, without any contact towards us, and not coming onto TeamSpeak to speak to us either.

During a round in which the only two people left alive were myself and a random player, with a stalemate at the bottom of the map, since my last remaining teammate was killed as I arrived at the bottom. About 20 to 30 seconds after the killing, I was edging round the corner to try to shoot the enemy player, but before I could attempt to do this, I noticed that Chazlene and VoX had been kicked by Hutch in quick succession, which was followed by myself soon after.

Whether to avoid a possible ban from VoX, Chazlene or myself (all admins on the server) or the fact that his 'aim' of disruption had been achieved, Hutch then disconnected from the server, and was not seen for the rest of the evening.

This is a message I sent to Chalex a few hours after the incident, via the forums PM system.

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I didn't want to create a thread since I know it would become one massive bitchfest, but earlier this evening on the fun server Hutch decided to come on, kick Chazlene, VoX and myself and just leave again.

This was unprovoked in anyway,and this event will be testified for by Chazlene and VoX. I am sure the server logs will also confirm this occurred.

I request that you take actions to prevent this from happening again, and maybe impose a harsher sanction, since this is his second major offence in the last three months.

Thank you for reading this PM, I hope to have a response and action in the next few days.

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Tonight on TeamSpeak, Chalex has refused to act on the issue, by responding negatively (or not at all in some cases) to my questions, on whether something will be done on the issue, and to what severity that action will manifest, due to it being the second display of abuse in three months towards the community by Hutch, as well as causing disruption on one of our game servers with non-community members present, and presenting a negative impression upon the players present on the server and the community. It obviously had a negative effect on the image of the community and the server, since most of the random people began to leave the server in quick succession, not long after the event, and we did not see many people rejoin before we decided to log off Counter-Strike.

One thing I learned from an educational course I attended on that day at Kings College, London was that if one person has a bad experience with a product, company, event etc. (can be applied to our servers and TeamSpeak), then they will likely be put off from using the specific product again, and will likely tell their friends about the bad experience, who in turn will tell their friends, and soon it becomes rapidly expanding knowledge that people believe that the product isn't something to be used, due to the negatives associated with it.

This applies to the community because of the bad image that this event and others (such as the previous abuses, the resulting thread, and some other threads that have resulting in members presenting themselves as 5-year old spastics that slap each other at the sight of the other so much as breathing) has given the community, and prevents us from expanding in terms of the lack of new members coming into the community, as well as putting off visiting members, or possibly even core community members from coming on to the servers, participating in community events and posting on the forum. It may also prevent members from providing their friends, acquaintances and internet contacts with the community addresses, due to the reputation that we have attained.

Due to Chalex's lack of response and apparent lack of interest on TeamSpeak this evening on this issue, I have decided to post this up on the forum, in order for the community to discuss the issue in full and possibly talk about resolutions to this problem. The main aim with this thread, however, is to gain the full attention, interest and participation of Chalex in this discussion, in order to make sure that this issue is dealt with efficiently and effectively, so that the right decisions can be made, in order to satisfy the desires and needs of the community as an entity, and the entities within the community.

[Apologies for the long post, if there are any errors, point them out]

that took the whole of 4 minutes to read that, im sure chalex can find spare him in his "busy" schedule :P

Sorry, but this was a huge essay, and chalex talked to me about it today as did bloo.....

Go do something else with your time... Blowing it all out of proportion.. also heard you on TS tell everyone to GO GO GO, read the post... seems like you wanted to stir shit up a bit. This isnt a portrayal of all the facts either.

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Originally Posted by Hutch

Sorry, but this was a huge essay, and chalex talked to me about it today as did bloo.....

Go do something else with your time... Blowing it all out of proportion.. also heard you on TS tell everyone to GO GO GO, read the post... seems like you wanted to stir shit up a bit. This isnt a portrayal of all the facts either.

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still i am with oric on this one, i didn't read it all :P (well none of it because am to tied)

so DILLIGAF

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Originally Posted by Hutch

Sorry, but this was a huge essay

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Worth a read

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Originally Posted by Hutch

also heard you on TS tell everyone to GO GO GO

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He always says that, believe it or not

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Originally Posted by silentlord.2008

still i am with oric on this one, i didn't read it all :P (well none of it because am to tied)

so DILLIGAF

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So you are with someone without reviewing or reading anything at all?
I believe this is stage 3 oric. Very minor incident... don't worry about it..

1. I was not in spectator, I was in a team and had played 1 round
2. Oric isn't a good witness as the whole incident took place in *DEAD* chat
3. I said "Oric can't win this he's pinned" to which VoX and Chazlene said MARGGH and then muted me for no apparent reason and told me to shut up 3 times, even though it was just a typed message.
4. There were about 6 people on the server 4 of them being ATK members.

As for the reason why our community isnt growing? It's because not enough members are on to actually fill the servers to persuade people to join.

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One thing I learned from an educational course I attended on that day at Kings College, London was that if one person has a bad experience with a product, company, event etc. (can be applied to our servers and TeamSpeak), then they will likely be put off from using the specific product again, and will likely tell their friends about the bad experience, who in turn will tell their friends, and soon it becomes rapidly expanding knowledge that people believe that the product isn't something to be used, due to the negatives associated with it.

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HOW THE FUCK IS THAT RELEVANT???? It doesn't make you look intelligent at all. We aren't trying to sell red letter days or sausages or something.

3 months, have you been counting that much because your soul only bleeds spite and hate, this all seems carefully orchestrated, not as a service to the community but a way of spiting me for several thousand reasons, and also to help you feel a little more powerful as you have no responsibilities in life. I've barely been on TS this holiday, yet you still decide to carry on your crusade... dude move on.

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Originally Posted by Hutch

So you are with someone without reviewing or reading anything at all?
I believe this is stage 3 oric. Very minor incident... don't worry about it..

1. I was not in spectator, I was in a team and had played 1 round
2. Oric isn't a good witness as the whole incident took place in *DEAD* chat
3. I said "Oric can't win this he's pinned" to which VoX and Chazlene said MARGGH and then muted me for no apparent reason and told me to shut up 3 times, even though it was just a typed message.
4. There were about 6 people on the server 4 of them being ATK members.

As for the reason why our community isnt growing? It's because not enough members are on to actually fill the servers to persuade people to join.




HOW THE FUCK IS THAT RELEVANT???? It doesn't make you look intelligent at all. We aren't trying to sell red letter days or sausages or something.

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Hutch, it don't make you intelligent to make a long reply back, and i have read the post now and i am still with oric, also the reason for the servers not filling up is becasue they are shit and need to be updated.

and for the "i was in a team" thing (i know i was not on the server at the time but ) i thing oric is right and ur wrong and don't post back for me to Fuck off out the community because u know your wrong , oric has been helpfully to me since i join the community (thats around 2 years now) and you have done FUCK all (well you have helped a bit).

so i will end again with DILLIGAF

Silent, although I appreciate your support, I would like it if you made it less personal, and more about the actual offence.

(8) Bitchy bitchy bitchy......... (8)

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Originally Posted by silentlord.2008

Hutch, it don't make you intelligent to make a long reply back, and i have read the post now and i am still with oric, also the reason for the servers not filling up is becasue they are shit and need to be updated.

and for the "i was in a team" thing (i know i was not on the server at the time but ) i thing oric is right and ur wrong and don't post back for me to Fuck off out the community because u know your wrong , oric has been helpfully to me since i join the community (thats around 2 years now) and you have done FUCK all (well you have helped a bit).

so i will end again with DILLIGAF

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Its intelligent to write using CAPITAL LETTERS for things that aren't just swear words. Also your opening sentence made no sense.... the Art of War isn't a short book, yet its known as one of the most intelligent books in the world. Why would I ask you "To fuck off out of the community", that would be blowing all this out of proportion, oh wait, Oric has already done that for me.

"oric has been helpfully to me since i join the community" Generally any kind of judgement based on extreme bias can generally be binned. Basically you just voided your opinion, and I just voided my bowels reading this crap.

Hutch please shut up alrite, don't start bitching at me ok keep on topic if you wanna have a bitch fight then we will in PMS

omfg, just stop ffs, marc's gonna be gettin pissed off, so is oric, and hutch, you eventually will. FFS, STOP IT for fuck sake...

Oric overreacted a bit and Hutch shouldn't have kicked him so readily.....don't turn this into a bitchfest

hutch is turnin it inot a bitchfest.

(sorry oric for this but i have to say it)

fine, fuck it, im sittin outta this one