I think we do need to be careful about this sounding like a moan/ bitch thread but I think some form of disciplinary action is necessary. The reason relatively few members have SA on TS is because of the fact that it's the most easy way to abuse people, with sound and lack of it if being kicked and having to alt tab. Also I have noticed that Oric is very stubborn and is always right in his own mind. He's just that way. Maybe we need more lenient friendly admins.