EA are chopping up BF3 into DLC exclusive to certain stores

[Colonel Mitch]

Whilst I agree this is a bad move and don't agree with the way it's been executed, I agree with oric and chazlene that it isn't that bigger deal.

The shotgun I doubt very much will be well used or OP, even with the lolammo.

As chazlene said £30 isnt a particularly high price for a band new game of this caliber.

The main problem I see with this is giving people who pay better ammo for a gun, but so long as its just the generic shotgun which will rape at close range and be useless at long range, and wont get widely used, then i dont see a big issue with that.

I may pre order it BUT ONLY if i can use the key with steam, if not then i'll be ordering it off steam solely for the convenience

[Trigger]

This type of sales can become quite a big deal if they continue down this road, exclusives like this isnt unique anymore. Deus Ex is having weapons and a couple of missions being exclusive if you buy from a certain retailer, the new Arkham asylum and DIrt are also using this same device.

Indeed weapons are not a major concern, but when 4 Maps, an expansion in itself is being closed off it definitely is a big deal. £30 for me is still a lot of money for a game and when alternative retailers are available i want to be able to take them without losing large content for a game at the very start of it.

You could probably also make an argument that stuff like this would also increase piracy

[Trigger]

A survey has been done on EA site and 94% disagreed on such a move. It annoys me that so many games have plans before a game goes live to restrict content and either sell it as early DLC or now as a pre order bonus.

[Calneon]

A survey has been done on EA site and 94% disagreed on such a move. It annoys me that so many games have plans before a game goes live to restrict content and either sell it as early DLC or now as a pre order bonus.

Yeah I saw that. I also saw a post somewhere that suggests DICE had absolutely nothing to do with this move, and are just as pissed off as most of the people who voted in that poll. EA just announced the pack and is basically forcing DICE to go through with it.

[Vicious Horizon]

Welcome to the world

You are not entitled to have everything you want.
It is the developer's game, it's down to them and their publisher what they do with the iP.
You do not own the franchise.
You do not have a say about what they do with their franchise.
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
There's a miniscule advantage involved "Z0mg, new ammo I CANT GET BCUZ I DONT WNA SPEND ANOTHER £5!?!?!?!?!??!?!" is a poor argument for there being an unfair advantage.
Paying for the new content now supports developers in the future, EA aren't the bad guys anymore, they're surprisingly good with developers.

My view on the whole thing tbh.

[Calneon]

Welcome to the world

You are not entitled to have everything you want.
It is the developer's game, it's down to them and their publisher what they do with the iP.
You do not own the franchise.
You do not have a say about what they do with their franchise.
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
There's a miniscule advantage involved "Z0mg, new ammo I CANT GET BCUZ I DONT WNA SPEND ANOTHER £5!?!?!?!?!??!?!" is a poor argument for there being an unfair advantage.
Paying for the new content now supports developers in the future, EA aren't the bad guys anymore, they're surprisingly good with developers.

My view on the whole thing tbh.

You play LoL. You're used to paying for an advantage. For most other proper gamers it's bullshit. Is your attitude for everything just "Meh I don't like it but I can't do anything about it so I guess I'll just live with it"?

[VoX]

Whilst it sucks, kinda have to accept that theres fuck all gamers can do about it, no matter how many times they whine.

[Calneon]

Whilst it sucks, kinda have to accept that theres fuck all gamers can do about it, no matter how many times they whine.

Wrong.

EA did the same thing for Bad Company, gamers complained, EA reversed the decision. Obviously nothing is going to happen if people sit on their asses and admit defeat before even trying anything.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comme...his_same_crap/

[VoX]

Well you learn something new every day...

[Marshy]

'@notch Markus Persson
When I make a movie, it will have different exclusive scenes added to it depending on what cinema you go to. #subtle'

Notch be trollin

[Calneon]

'@notch Markus Persson
When I make a movie, it will have different exclusive scenes added to it depending on what cinema you go to. #subtle'

Notch be trollin

Awesome :P.

[Vicious Horizon]

Nowhere in LoL can you pay for any meaningful advantage, it's something that they strive to keep from happening.
But back to topic:

I don't see why everyone's getting so much anal pain from a small amount of money which you can pay for if you want.
If you don't want it, don't pay the money and don't complain that other people have bought it, it was your decision.

As far as I'm concerned, DICE and EA can do what they want with the pricing, it's their product, they can do what they want to it.

I don't see why people think they're so entitled to be able to dictate everything a company does, not every company is VALVe, and not every company should be.

The awesome gamer community we have often makes us think that we are an integral part of the development team.
We're not.
And we shouldn't be, sure, businesses should listen to their consumers, but what gives US the right to dictate and tell THEM how they should price their products, how they should market their products, and slam them for utilising a legitimate and proven business strategy in order to maximise their profits.

Why the fuck should they have to listen to people complaining about getting more for their money at a price cheaper than every single console gamer out there?

The console price without this additional content is going to be between £40 and £50, and us PC gamers are complaining about an OPTIONAL OPTION FOR EXTRA CONTENT IN GAME?

Seriously?

Get some perspective, please.

[Trigger]

I don't see why people think they're so entitled to be able to dictate everything a company does, not every company is VALVe, and not every company should be.

The awesome gamer community we have often makes us think that we are an integral part of the development team.
We're not.
And we shouldn't be, sure, businesses should listen to their consumers, but what gives US the right to dictate and tell THEM how they should price their products, how they should market their products, and slam them for utilising a legitimate and proven business strategy in order to maximise their profits.

A business that does not understand what the customers want or listen to criticism is doomed to fail. If i look past your exaggeration i can see the point your trying to get out, yes a company can try to make as much profit as possible and often that goes against what customers want but a middle ground must be found. Customers CAN tell businesses how they should price/market their product, they are the ones that buy it.

Why the fuck should they have to listen to people complaining about getting more for their money at a price cheaper than every single console gamer out there?

The console price without this additional content is going to be between £40 and £50, and us PC gamers are complaining about an OPTIONAL OPTION FOR EXTRA CONTENT IN GAME?

Seriously?

Get some perspective, please.

The issue about extra content is the key, its not really an 'optional option' When a game gets released you want it to come with everything and as a consumer you want to be able to choose where you get it. (In my opinion 4 Maps for a multiplayer game with history does not really count as luxury content at launch, whilst weapons does)

Comparing the prices with Consoles is a weak argument, 'Your getting a better deal than the other people who are ripped off more!'

Isnt looking at the state of consoles and games like COD with the prices of new maps a good enough incentive for people to complain to companys and let them see what its like from our perspective.

I understand the pressure companys are under to release games but when every game is a sequel, every RPG comes with at least £15 worth of DLC somewhere along the line, More FPS contain map and weaponry DLC, companys need to stop sucking money slowly from consumers and get creative with new games and ideas. (Though thats another debate on the problems of creativity)

[Hutch]

Vegetarians and Vegans normally have very strong opinions on everything. They also hate any kind of injustice, whether it is there or not.

[Calneon]

Nowhere in LoL can you pay for any meaningful advantage, it's something that they strive to keep from happening.
But back to topic:

I don't see why everyone's getting so much anal pain from a small amount of money which you can pay for if you want.
If you don't want it, don't pay the money and don't complain that other people have bought it, it was your decision.

As far as I'm concerned, DICE and EA can do what they want with the pricing, it's their product, they can do what they want to it.

I don't see why people think they're so entitled to be able to dictate everything a company does, not every company is VALVe, and not every company should be.

The awesome gamer community we have often makes us think that we are an integral part of the development team.
We're not.
And we shouldn't be, sure, businesses should listen to their consumers, but what gives US the right to dictate and tell THEM how they should price their products, how they should market their products, and slam them for utilising a legitimate and proven business strategy in order to maximise their profits.

Why the fuck should they have to listen to people complaining about getting more for their money at a price cheaper than every single console gamer out there?

The console price without this additional content is going to be between £40 and £50, and us PC gamers are complaining about an OPTIONAL OPTION FOR EXTRA CONTENT IN GAME?

Seriously?

Get some perspective, please.

At the moment it's a £5 price increase, and you get exclusive guns and ammo. Don't come crying to me when publishers hike the price up and up, and split their games up into minuscule parts and market them off as pre-order and day 1 DLC for £5 per map. It's not unlikely in a few years that publishers will be restricting classes, entire map packs, multitudes of weapons depending on where you buy the game and when you pre-order it.

You would have to be blind not to see the increase in this sort of marketing recently, and the decline in the quality of games.

Vegetarians and Vegans normally have very strong opinions on everything. They also hate any kind of injustice, whether it is there or not.

You appear to have a strong opinion opposing mine. Therefore you are a vegan.